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DM Limerence at 14:19, 26 March 2025

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	'''Supernatural Ability (Su) HiPS:'''		'''Supernatural Ability (Su) HiPS:'''
	*Shadowdancers, Assassins, and Rogues (indoor HiPS) have a version of HiPS which are 'Supernatural Abilities' (magical, and go away in an antimagic field but are not subject to spell resistance, counterspells, or to being dispelled by dispel magic.		*Shadowdancers, Assassins, and Rogues (indoor HiPS) have a version of HiPS which are 'Supernatural Abilities' (magical, and go away in an antimagic field but are not subject to spell resistance, counterspells, or to being dispelled by dispel magic).
	*Further, they have this wording: "A shadowdancer/assassin can use the Hide skill even while being observed. As long as she is within 10 feet of some sort of shadow, a shadowdancer/assassin can hide herself from view in the open without anything to actually hide behind. She cannot, however, hide in her own shadow."		*Further, they have this wording: "A shadowdancer/assassin can use the Hide skill even while being observed. As long as she is within 10 feet of some sort of shadow, a shadowdancer/assassin can hide herself from view in the open without anything to actually hide behind. She cannot, however, hide in her own shadow."
	*In summary, this version of HiPS enables hiding even while being observed, and if within 10 feet of some sort of shadow (not her own), being able to hide. If not within 10 feet of shadow, the character would need to meet the criteria of having cover or concealment.		*In summary, this version of HiPS enables hiding even while being observed, and if within 10 feet of some sort of shadow (not her own), being able to hide. If not within 10 feet of shadow, the character would need to meet the criteria of having cover or concealment.

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	{{FeatInfo\|type=Class		{{FeatInfo\|type=Class
	\|Prereq=[[Ranger]] level 17, [[Assassin]] level 8, [[Shadow Dancer]] level 1		\|Prereq=[[Ranger]] level 17, [[Assassin]] level 8, [[Shadow Dancer]] level 1, [[Wilderness Stalker]] level 10, [[Rogue]] Special Ability Feats (indoor only variant can be taken at level 16; full HiPS can be taken if already possessing either HiPS outdoors or HiPS indoors)
	\|Req=None		\|Req=None
	\|Specifics=The character can use the [[hide]] skill when being observed. This ability will not always be successful in the frenzy of combat -- but disengaging from the enemy before attempting to hide in plain sight will succeed.		\|Specifics=The character can use the [[hide]] skill when being observed. This ability will not always be successful in the frenzy of combat -- but disengaging from the enemy before attempting to hide in plain sight will succeed.
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	*Like normal hiding, once hidden constant stealth checks must be performed. Of course, in combat, hiding and then using [[sneak attack]] is an effective way to battle.		*Like normal hiding, once hidden constant stealth checks must be performed. Of course, in combat, hiding and then using [[sneak attack]] is an effective way to battle.
	*A failed attempt to hide in plain sight requires a 6 second cool down before trying again.		*A failed attempt to hide in plain sight requires a 6 second cool down before trying again.
	*The Ranger's version of this feat may only be used in outdoor/natural areas.		*The Ranger and Wilderness Stalker's version of this feat may only be used in outdoor/natural areas. One exception is that the [[Cavestalker]] class will allow them to be used in Underdark areas.
			*The Rogue's indoor-only version of this feat may only be used in indoor areas.
	*[[True Seeing]] will not cause the target of the spell to automatically spot hidden creatures, contrary to the description of the spell. Even creatures that have True Seeing as an innate ability, such as dragons, will not automatically spot hidden creatures.		*[[True Seeing]] will not cause the target of the spell to automatically spot hidden creatures, contrary to the description of the spell. Even creatures that have True Seeing as an innate ability, such as dragons, will not automatically spot hidden creatures.

			==How does HiPS work? Is it magical or not?==
			*The below primarily refers to how HiPS should be roleplayed, and how DMs may enforce it.
			*See [[Hide]] for more description. Typically, you need cover or concealment in order to attempt a Hide check, and if people are observing you, even casually, you cannot attempt to hide.
			*There are two 'types' of HiPS, Extraordinary Ability HiPS, and Supernatural HiPS.

			'''Extraordinary Ability (Ex) HiPS:'''
			*The Ranger and Wilderness Stalkers' HiPS are 'Extraordinary Abilities' (nonmagical, though they may break the laws of physics. They are not something that just anyone can do or even learn to do without extensive training.)
			*Both of these classes also have the [[Camouflage]] ability. In NWN2, this enables the character to take no movement penalty while in stealth mode outdoors. However, in PnP this actually enabled them to use the Hide skill in any sort of natural terrain, even if the terrain doesn't grant cover or concealment. In other words, Concealment makes it much easier to hide, but is a problem if you are still being observed.
			*HiPS in PnP has the following wording: "While in any sort of natural terrain, you can use the Hide skill even while being observed."
			*Put together, Rangers and Wilderness Stalkers with HiPS (and will have Camouflage by the time they have HiPS) can simply disappear from sight in natural terrain, unless the other creature has a higher spot skill.
			*A Rogue who gains full HiPS via outdoor HiPS (Ranger/Wilderness Stalker levels) should be considered to have this version of HiPS.

			'''Supernatural Ability (Su) HiPS:'''
			*Shadowdancers, Assassins, and Rogues (indoor HiPS) have a version of HiPS which are 'Supernatural Abilities' (magical, and go away in an antimagic field but are not subject to spell resistance, counterspells, or to being dispelled by dispel magic.
			*Further, they have this wording: "A shadowdancer/assassin can use the Hide skill even while being observed. As long as she is within 10 feet of some sort of shadow, a shadowdancer/assassin can hide herself from view in the open without anything to actually hide behind. She cannot, however, hide in her own shadow."
			*In summary, this version of HiPS enables hiding even while being observed, and if within 10 feet of some sort of shadow (not her own), being able to hide. If not within 10 feet of shadow, the character would need to meet the criteria of having cover or concealment.
			*Notably, as a supernatural ability this '''should not''' function in an antimagic field.
			*A Rogue who gains full HiPS via indoor HiPS should be considered to have this version of HiPS.

			'''Note:''' A character who meets the criteria of having both the Ex/Su versions of HiPS can be considered as using either (e.g., a Ranger 17/Shadowdancer 1).

	==Exploits==		==Exploits==
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	==Counter==		==Counter==
	To counter a character using ~~HIPS~~ you have one of three methods. First, you can cast a Area of Effect spell such as Acid Fog, Storm of ~~Vegenance~~, or Wail Banshee <strike>to prevent stealth.</strike> (Or killing the character) Another counter is [[knockdown]] because a character with HIPS cannot disappear on their backside and those who use HIPS normally have a bad Strength score. Finally, stepping back and running away from the direction the person with HIPS disappeared into, to use your detection skill is effective way to counter the tactic. (Just make sure you continue to walk in the opposite direction you saw the person using HIPS disappear in)		To counter a character using HiPS you have one of three methods. First, you can cast a Area of Effect spell such as Acid Fog, Storm of Vengeance, or Wail of the Banshee <strike>to prevent stealth.</strike> (Or killing the character). Another counter is [[knockdown]] because a character with HIPS cannot disappear on their backside and those who use HIPS normally have a bad Strength score. Finally, stepping back and running away from the direction the person with HIPS disappeared into, to use your detection skill is effective way to counter the tactic. (Just make sure you continue to walk in the opposite direction you saw the person using HIPS disappear in)

	Note: To re-target a person who reappears after using Hide in Plain Sight, just press the Tab button on your keyboard.		Note: To re-target a person who reappears after using Hide in Plain Sight, just press the Tab button on your keyboard.

Stolcor at 23:02, 29 May 2020

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	{{FeatInfo\|type=Class		{{FeatInfo\|type=Class
	\|Prereq=[[Ranger]] level 17, [[Assassin]] level 8, [[~~Shadowdancer~~]] level 1		\|Prereq=[[Ranger]] level 17, [[Assassin]] level 8, [[Shadow Dancer]] level 1
	\|Req=None		\|Req=None
	\|Specifics=The character can use the [[hide]] skill when being observed. This ability will not always be successful in the frenzy of combat -- but disengaging from the enemy before attempting to hide in plain sight will succeed.		\|Specifics=The character can use the [[hide]] skill when being observed. This ability will not always be successful in the frenzy of combat -- but disengaging from the enemy before attempting to hide in plain sight will succeed.

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{{FeatInfo|type=Class
|Prereq=[[Ranger]] level 17, [[Assassin]] level 8, [[Shadowdancer]] level 1
|Req=None
|Specifics=The character can use the [[hide]] skill when being observed. This ability will not always be successful in the frenzy of combat -- but disengaging from the enemy before attempting to hide in plain sight will succeed.
|Use=Selected ([[Stealth]] Mode)
}}

==Notes==
*Like normal hiding, once hidden constant stealth checks must be performed. Of course, in combat, hiding and then using [[sneak attack]] is an effective way to battle.
*A failed attempt to hide in plain sight requires a 6 second cool down before trying again.
*The Ranger's version of this feat may only be used in outdoor/natural areas.
*[[True Seeing]] will not cause the target of the spell to automatically spot hidden creatures, contrary to the description of the spell. Even creatures that have True Seeing as an innate ability, such as dragons, will not automatically spot hidden creatures.

==Exploits==
Due to the method by which perception is handled in NWN2, it is possible for a character with this feat to get sneak attacks against an opponent with vastly superior detection abilities by canceling combat and hiding at the very end of their combat round and attacking right at the beginning. By minimizing the time between hiding and attacking, this minimizes the chances of the target getting a chance to percieve the target while it is hidden. This tactic effectively removes any counter to a character with hide in plain sight catching his opponent flat-footed for the first flurry of his attack.

On some Persistent World servers with HiPS is to press the S key (or any other movement key) in the middle of battle, particularly during PvP, to take themselves out of attack mode and then use HIPS. This can be done even though the other character was attacking as little as a second ago and is still within swords reach. Unfortunately, this can become abused to the point where anyone with the HiPS skill can run away from an enormously-stacked battle against them during the combat itself.

==Counter==
To counter a character using HIPS you have one of three methods. First, you can cast a Area of Effect spell such as Acid Fog, Storm of Vegenance, or Wail Banshee <strike>to prevent stealth.</strike> (Or killing the character) Another counter is [[knockdown]] because a character with HIPS cannot disappear on their backside and those who use HIPS normally have a bad Strength score. Finally, stepping back and running away from the direction the person with HIPS disappeared into, to use your detection skill is effective way to counter the tactic. (Just make sure you continue to walk in the opposite direction you saw the person using HIPS disappear in)

Note: To re-target a person who reappears after using Hide in Plain Sight, just press the Tab button on your keyboard.

==NWN comparison==
*Only shadowdancers had access in NWN to the hide in plain sight feat.

==External resources==
*[[NWNWiki:Hide in Plain Sight]]
[[category:Class feats]]